Brandon talks with Penelope (Liz G. Bailey) about her sexually coercive marriage to a physical abuser. It’s a story of de-escalation modes, proving yourself, IPV, narcissistic rage, mixed messages about money, and the relationship with your body. Plus they discuss, people-pleasing, caretaking, anger, future faking, escape plans, stability, sexual boundaries, swinging, gaslighting, bullying, fear, obligation, one-way streets, emotional needs, and much more.

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